we now need planning for hmo

[propman2]

thanks

back to philips comments

1. if you are saying a change of use could include that to a single dwelling then its logical that it would also apply the other way round ie single to multi.....the planning authority may quote 10 years to distract from the 4 year rule...requires clarification whether it is a change of use or not

2. I also believe that 'intensification' of an existing use can amount to requiring planning consent, check whether this applies as this may take you out of the realms of 'single dwelling'

You really need to bottom out the substance of what is or is not needed here in planning terms

3. I dont agree that it is not worth looking at similar situations to establish a precedent. Planning is not an exact science and for that reason anomalies in planning decisioins will arise

I am not convinced the fundamentals have been bottomed out here chaps

[john carling]

thankyou propman2 for your reply
You and philip seem to be getting to the bottom of this. i am not an expert on this and when words like "intensification" are used i feel i am out of my depth but i will loook into what you have said and get back to you all ,,many thanks for the advice keep it comming .john

[philip benham]

[QUOTE=propman2;24352]thanks

back to philips comments

1. if you are saying a change of use could include that to a single dwelling then its logical that it would also apply the other way round ie single to multi.....

It would be logical, but it's not the case.

the planning authority may quote 10 years to distract from the 4 year rule...requires clarification whether it is a change of use or not

Not in this case, the planner knows it's ten years.

2. I also believe that 'intensification' of an existing use can amount to requiring planning consent, check whether this applies as this may take you out of the realms of 'single dwelling'

Intensification would perhaps be if he lets to more than six sharers, which I believe John is not intending.

3. I dont agree that it is not worth looking at similar situations to establish a precedent.

That is why I advised John that he should check out the other HMOs in his area.

Planning is not an exact science and for that reason anomalies in planning decisioins will arise

True, but in this case John simply wants to let his house to sharers. Nothing unusual about that, thousands of houses are let this way.

[john carling]

Hi Philip .in a previous note you mention about getting a letter from planning to see if we can put students in the house argument being they have the same impact on the area. well we already have a letter from head of planning saying that we can have students or sharers ( the sharers must have a common interest this goes back to hobby argument) the letter was written buy the same peoson that issued the enforcemnt order. i hope this makes our appeal stronger!!!

[philip benham]

I am very interested in how you progress. I just searched on the subject of HMO planning and came up with links that may help further.
The first is an interesting Bristol Council page, scroll down to bottom and download Enforcement of Planning Control - Houses in Multiple Occupation and Shared Houses.pdf.
It touches on several aspects we have already discussed including the ten/four year planning rules.
http://www.bristol-city.gov.uk/ccm/c...nforcements.en

Second is SPLA, scroll down to last couple paragraphs, they seem of the opinion more than six sharers before needing planning consent.
http://www.spla.co.uk/document_archi...g%20england%22

Third, another interesting read from Bristol area.
http://www.rcas.org.uk/Download_file...%20c3%20hmo%22
I hope the links work OK, any problems please feel free to email me.
Please let us know how you progress with this, cheers Phil.