LandlordZONE

18

Apr, 2014

Friday

Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Sash windows

  1. #1

    Default Sash windows

    My three bed property that I am about to rent out is above another dwelling so basically to the rear of the house it is three storeys. The property has the original sash windows that open upwards and I am concerned that if anyone fell out of the windows ie. a child, that I would be held responsible. Does anyone know my legal position on this matter. I do not want to replace the windows as they add to the character of the house.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    4,448

    Default

    Maybe you could fasten a wooden batten in the running track above the lower sash so it will only open four inches or so?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Yorkshire
    Posts
    24,592

    Default

    I agree. And window locks operable by the tenant would be a good idea.

    Ensure the windows work properly (ie both halves of the sash open), then the parents can control which bit's open. Any open window can be a danger if the child is very inquisitive - the parents have to be responsible and not leave the kid alone in a room with open windows if there's any danger of them falling out, or fit window bars etc.
    How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive? Homer Simpson

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Foundation trench for New Shed@ Ham on Rye
    Posts
    13,722

    Default

    I would suggest a sash window stop, which double as window locks.

    http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/P...sh_Window_Stop

    You fit them to the top left and top right of the upper transom of the inner sash and the lower L/H and lower R/H of the outer one. You drill through both timber sections and a rebated "nut" is put in the outer frame and a "bolt" put in the inner sash. When aligned you turn the bolt with a key , it crosses the gap and secures the windows.

    You then fit a second "nut" in the outer frame at the point you want to have the window opened up to, say 2 inches.

    The advantage is that unlike a batten as suggested, is that you can still open and close the window freely for clanging painting etc, while it is very secure. It would also take a very talented child to find the key and open the "screw".
    Based on the information posted, I offer my thoughts.Any action you then take is your liability. While commending individual effort, there is no substitute for a thorough review of documents and facts by paid for professional advisers. More ramblings atleaseholdpropertymanager.blogspot.com

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    14,115

    Default

    I doubt you would be liable in the event of the type of accident you describe when the windows are of a completely standard and traditional type. If you are concerned, however, then the best way to be sure is to seek the opinion of a barrister specialist in landlord and tenant law.

    http://www.barcouncil.org.uk/about-t...ess-directory/

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Foundation trench for New Shed@ Ham on Rye
    Posts
    13,722

    Default

    I have taken advice on this in the past.

    As a first principle whether you are ultimately liable is one thing, going through the process of litigation is however expensive and wearing.

    A morning's DIY and £30 to £50 of bits and a box of digestives and PG tips is often the cheaper and rest easy option. As is liability and legal expenses insurance.

    In case of liability the court would consider the repair and use of the property, it's suitability for let, and the actions and behaviour of a reasonable tenant.

    So take a hob, the landlord would have to ensure it is enclosed at any exposed side, except the front, and a tenant would have to ensure a child did not reach up for a pot handle.

    A tenant however would be expected to fit their own plug covers or a child gate on stairs.

    Windows however as standard do pose a risk where the prevention of an incident involves an alteration that a landlord would be responsible for or at the very least require their consent were a tenant to propose it. It is reasonably foreseeable that a window is a potential fall, and an open door like wise.

    A reasonable parent would take steps to secure their windows where required but as tenants, might not. A prudent landlord would seek to avoid risks to themselves, then their tenant's, and the marketing benefits of being "child friendly".

    Window locks and burglary chains, and even good locks on gates etc, benefit all and in some cases lower insurance premiums.
    Based on the information posted, I offer my thoughts.Any action you then take is your liability. While commending individual effort, there is no substitute for a thorough review of documents and facts by paid for professional advisers. More ramblings atleaseholdpropertymanager.blogspot.com

  7. #7

    Default

    Dear Norma,

    It is totally understandable in this day and age of litigation and blame to be conscious of
    everything, and in this respect Leaseholdanswers is quite right.
    We https://joineryworkshop.com have recently advised the English Language Centre of a similarissue. Sash stops, or vent locks, in this case are a quick and safe way to prevent the sash
    window from opening higher than you would wish. Glad you are maintaining the heritage by keeping your windows, too. Good Luck.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Isle of Wight
    Posts
    282

    Default

    Just to be clear, as a LL you cannot be held liable, rather than going through all the arguments again, please see this thread, although relating to safety glass, the arguments are the same: http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...read.php?52231

    So, you can only be held liable for accidents that are due to disrepair or your own negligence in installing or supplying a product - unless there is a statutory duty to supply something. For this reason if you install a safety lock yourself and it fails, then you could be liable for that, so unless the install is easy and you are very competent, it might pay to get a window co to install a safety device.

    So while you don't have a duty, it will still pay to do it to open up your property to family tenants.
    caveat emptor
    If it sounds like I know what I am talking about........I don't.

Similar Threads

  1. Windows 8 !
    By 45002 in forum Take a Break - for the less serious!
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 31-10-2012, 13:35 PM
  2. Draft proofing victorian sash windows?
    By sparkie in forum Residential Letting Questions
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 27-10-2011, 10:03 AM
  3. Windows
    By sailor1705 in forum Long Leasehold Questions
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 16-09-2011, 12:30 PM
  4. Sash window caused me an accident. Who is liable?
    By sellotape in forum Safety: HHSRS, Fire Risk, Gas & Elec
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 18-07-2011, 10:26 AM
  5. Sash window stuck, won't open. Who is responsible for the repair ?
    By Enzo in forum Energy Efficiency/EPC, Design, Repair, Improve
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 09-01-2011, 17:15 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •