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  1. mk1fan, A 30 min door in a 60 min compartment...

    mk1fan,

    A 30 min door in a 60 min compartment is acceptable.
  2. Hi, not sure why the fire risk assessment company...

    Hi, not sure why the fire risk assessment company would say you don't have any legal obligations? If you have any element of "control" over the common areas then you would have a legal obligation to...
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    Smoke detector on each preferably linked to each...

    Smoke detector on each preferably linked to each other.
  4. Is this the council's own guide or are they using...

    Is this the council's own guide or are they using LACoRS?
  5. Have a look here, Gov web site so no sales pitch...

    Have a look here, Gov web site so no sales pitch

    https://www.gov.uk/workplace-fire-safety-your-responsibilities/fire-risk-assessments
  6. A FRA is required in all non domestic premises,...

    A FRA is required in all non domestic premises, it is the recording of the significant findings that is not required if you have less than 5 employees in TOTAL. So if a shop owner has 6 shops with 1...
  7. Hi, yes a FRA is still legally required but you...

    Hi, yes a FRA is still legally required but you won't have to record the significant findings. It can be done by you, many simple templates can be found online.

    It may be a case of just recording...
  8. Hi, yes a FRA is still legally required but you...

    Hi, yes a FRA is still legally required but you won't have to record the significant findings. It can be done by you, many simple templates can be found online.

    It may be a case of just recording...
  9. I am not sure on the legalities re letting before...

    I am not sure on the legalities re letting before an FRA is done, but I have had experience of Landlords, letting agents etc contacting us to ensure an FRA is completed before the property is bought...
  10. The common alarm (BS5839 PART 1) is the provision...

    The common alarm (BS5839 PART 1) is the provision of smoke detection in the common area linked to a heat detector in each flat. A separate system (BS5839 PART 6) is then installed within each flat...
  11. Article 13 of the fire safety order applies to...

    Article 13 of the fire safety order applies to the whole property, as an adequate means of warning of fire is required.

    this can be enforced to all occupants.

    Fire-fighting and fire detection...
  12. Hi Claire As there is a common area, the fire...

    Hi Claire

    As there is a common area, the fire safety order applies to the small common area and would include the flat doors BUT not the flats themselves (Housing Act applies). I don't think the...
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    Sorry joining this one a bit late. what you...

    Sorry joining this one a bit late.

    what you call the building and what guide you use can be a bit irrelevant sometimes. The key here is if the fire compartmentation can not be relied upon due to...
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    You won't find a free download of BS5839 but most...

    You won't find a free download of BS5839 but most libraries have access to the British Standards but I still don't think reading the BS will help you. If you are installing a mixed system as I have...
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    Hi there, A fire alarm just in the common...

    Hi there,

    A fire alarm just in the common areas would be pointless as you need to warn and evacuate everyone in the block. The sound level just in the common areas would not be enough to warn...
  16. Just getting back to you, the Flats Regs you...

    Just getting back to you, the Flats Regs you quoted is for the Isle of Man.
  17. Hi, not sure the Regs you have quoted are the...

    Hi, not sure the Regs you have quoted are the dominant legislation here and if it has been revoked when the Fire Safety Order came in 1st October 2006 but I will try to find out for you.

    Under the...
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    I think you need to be careful here that you...

    I think you need to be careful here that you install the right system. It would need to conform to BS 5839 Part 1 for the common areas (smoke detection) that extends to one heat detector in each...
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    No worries just trying to give you the best...

    No worries just trying to give you the best advice.

    radio linked alarms would be fine but you'll find they can be more expensive than wired systems.
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    If you don't want to comply with current fire...

    If you don't want to comply with current fire safety law or try to bend it that is the management's decision but you pay the potential consequences if there is a fire.

    There have been some...
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    Hi there, the fire risk assessment is a legal...

    Hi there, the fire risk assessment is a legal requirement and to cover yourself I would opt for a competent fire safety professional, expect to pay around £200-300 for a professional accredited FRA....
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    Sounds like the fire service have washed their...

    Sounds like the fire service have washed their hands of it to me and passed it to housing? Trust me if there are fire safety provisions that are common to one or more flats that are there for the...
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    You are very welcome, glad it helped. :(nod):

    You are very welcome, glad it helped. :(nod):
  24. See my reply under the "smoke and heat alarm...

    See my reply under the "smoke and heat alarm question" same thought process really or in box me and we can discuss further.


    Darren :-)
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    See here for the LACoRS amendment, see point 8...

    See here for the LACoRS amendment, see point 8 single family dwellings

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