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  1. Sticky: I only have 2 points really: 1. All flats...

    I only have 2 points really:

    1. All flats (dwellings) should have at least one smoke detector fitted, although not enforceable under the Fire Safety Order, the codes of practice would suggest that...
  2. Not sure why he is asking for the VP? Have you...

    Not sure why he is asking for the VP? Have you asked him why this is required?
  3. London Fire Brigade Flats Fire Safety Drive

    31 Mar 2014

    London Fire Brigade (LFB) has launched an initiative to try to combat the lack of fire safety procedures in houses of multiple occupancy.

    A survey conducted by the brigade...
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    Tom, I think you are playing a dangerous game...

    Tom, I think you are playing a dangerous game with that sort of thought process. Landlords have had heavy fines and gone to prison for breaches of the Fire Safety Order.

    I think the fee quoted of...
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    The mirror wouldn't overly concern me? Zero...

    The mirror wouldn't overly concern me? Zero tolerance can be a pain if you go down the no door mats and small potted plants route. A common sense approach is best.

    Not sure what you mean about the...
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    Sorry should of added under fire safety law!

    Sorry should of added under fire safety law!
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    Hi Tom, Your starting point should be the...

    Hi Tom,


    Your starting point should be the fire risk assessment and then take it from there as this if done properly will address all the issues.
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    PS has an assessment been done as this should...

    PS has an assessment been done as this should have sorted all this out for you!?
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    Difficult to advise now without seeing the...

    Difficult to advise now without seeing the building now we have more details. The common fire alarm confuses matters as you can't have a stay put policy and a general alarm that warns everyone in the...
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    Do the flats open directly on to the staircase...

    Do the flats open directly on to the staircase enclosure? If so are there any openable windows at all floor levels in the stair?

    Or do the flats open on to a lobby and is the lobby ventilated by...
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    Hi Tom, The simple answer is that you can't...

    Hi Tom,

    The simple answer is that you can't enforce anything. The Fire Authority can though under the Fire Safety Order 2005 by serving an enforcement notice on an individual tenant to get the...
  12. You will find if difficult to achieve a 60min...

    You will find if difficult to achieve a 60min door by applying any treatment to the door. Some for of fire boarding to the back of the door may be an option?
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    The self closer is not essential just as in any...

    The self closer is not essential just as in any other domestic door to a kitchen. The principle should be in all homes to have a bedtime routine where the kitchen door and any other doors on to the...
  14. Tom, I read the note but don't see what you are...

    Tom, I read the note but don't see what you are getting at? The note advises on the fitting of smoke detection in the flats.

    The flats guide is Nationally accepted fire safety guidance, see below...
  15. The housing act 2004 applies to the common areas...

    The housing act 2004 applies to the common areas and the flats.

    I am not sure why you would even question the legality of installing smoke detection in a residential dwelling?? The flats guide...
  16. here you go ...

    here you go

    http://www.local.gov.uk/publications/-/journal_content/56/10180/3369777/PUBLICATION

    its a free download, you wouldn't need to link the detection in one flat to the other, so I...
  17. The flats guide issued in August 2011 is the...

    The flats guide issued in August 2011 is the better guidance to read and is most current. If offers a balanced view on fire safety provisions.

    I would be interested to see what works are...
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    You say that there are escape windows from the...

    You say that there are escape windows from the bedrooms so that would be considered acceptable as a secondary means of escape. However the kitchen is open to the hallway/corridor and it will depend...
  19. I think you have had poor advice here? Call...

    I think you have had poor advice here? Call points would not generally be provided in the common areas.

    The occupants of the flats if the block is suitable for stay put don't need to know about a...
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    Ideally you should have 20min fire doors (solid...

    Ideally you should have 20min fire doors (solid construction) to doors leading to the hallway and flat front door. It would be difficult to comment further without knowing the internal layout of the...
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    Can you explain where you have heard this and how...

    Can you explain where you have heard this and how it relates to the fire risk assessment? I would expect a general fire safety or health and safety policy statement from a business but not for a...
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    See the HSE guidance at...

    See the HSE guidance at http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/lpg/ which may be helpful to you.
  23. Tompouce, Sorry, I am just getting a bit...

    Tompouce,

    Sorry, I am just getting a bit confused now by these posts as there seems to be conflicting advice and info?

    Basically it's one or the other - stay put, inform residents of the...
  24. MisterB Post #30, The incident you refer to...

    MisterB Post #30,

    The incident you refer to involved a fire in a sofa in the common stair, so that changes things as I am sure you know the common areas should be sterile areas.
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    Hi Ian, I would personally go for the LD3...

    Hi Ian,

    I would personally go for the LD3 system, this should be able to be installed by a reputable electrician. I don't have direct involvement with installs but a guide would be around £25 per...
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