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  1. If there are common areas, it would not only be...

    If there are common areas, it would not only be wise but a legal requirement. The Fire Safety Order 2005 applies to the common areas of purpose built flats in England and Wales. The common area would...
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    Unfortunately I doubt you be able to avoid...

    Unfortunately I doubt you be able to avoid providing 60mins fire protection to the garage ceiling. It should be a simple job though of overboarding the ceiling with 30min fire resisting plaster board...
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    Sounds like you are talking about a pre 1991...

    Sounds like you are talking about a pre 1991 building regs conversion? The fire alarm may have been installed at the time of conversion or added at a later date, it would be useful to know this. If...
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    The door should have what is referred to as a...

    The door should have what is referred to as a "notional" period of fire resistance i.e. 30mins. The original door could be fine if it is a 30min door with a positive self-closing device. If the door...
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    Internal doors in houses/flats are normally to at...

    Internal doors in houses/flats are normally to at least 20min fire resistance according to current building regs. However I don't think you can buy at 20min door, so 30 would be the option. I suspect...
  6. The fire safety order is retrospective in terms...

    The fire safety order is retrospective in terms of requiring a fire risk assessment on all non domestic premises since the 1st October 2006. However some of the findings coming out of the FRA may not...
  7. I won't argue with you other than to say from an...

    I won't argue with you other than to say from an ex enforcers point of view there is sometimes an overlap between the Housing Act and the RRFSO in terms of which can be enforced and by which...
  8. Some notes for you from the Fire Safety Order...

    Some notes for you from the Fire Safety Order Regulators Guidance. It is generally accepted that the Fire Order would not apply to a shared house, what can bit a little grey is what constitutes a...
  9. Sorry should have said certain HMO's!

    Sorry should have said certain HMO's!
  10. The fire safety order does not apply to premises...

    The fire safety order does not apply to premises occupied as "single private dwellings" or a shared house but would apply to the common areas of any HMO.
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    scotcruz, I think we need to be careful as to...

    scotcruz,

    I think we need to be careful as to what is the minimum standard i.e. one battery smoke alarm and was is the most suitable. Sometimes you won't find a definitive answer but on what you...
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    Agreed; the Fire Safety Order covers any common...

    Agreed; the Fire Safety Order covers any common parts and includes the flats doors but not inside the flats (Housing Act applies) However a FRA should at least consider the internal flats including...
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    This may be of interest? ...

    This may be of interest?


    http://www.fia.uk.com/news/call-for-all-landlords-to-install-smoke-alarms.html
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    The fire service is the area will provide a free...

    The fire service is the area will provide a free home fire risk assessment and in most cases fit free 10 year battery smoke alarms, I would advise the tenant makes contact.
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    We could discuss on here who has the...

    We could discuss on here who has the responsibility to install smoke alarms and I am sure those that are the experts in this field will.
    Being an ex fire safety officer with over 25 years...
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    Yes the purpose built flats guide can be used on...

    Yes the purpose built flats guide can be used on converted flats where the conversion has complied with building regs.

    3. Scope of this guidance
    3.1 This guide is intended for buildings which...
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    Ok hadn't seen that in the OP, depends on date of...

    Ok hadn't seen that in the OP, depends on date of conversion then? I am guessing before 1991 or you would have expected FD30s doors with self-closers?
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    A few points for you all on this one: Firstly...

    A few points for you all on this one:

    Firstly the fire safety order applies to all non domestic type premises (i.e. other than single private dwellings) you won't find differing recommendations...
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    Are the doors original 30min doors that are in...

    Are the doors original 30min doors that are in good condition and fit well in the frame with a 25mm rebate? If so I would just go for the self closer as the doors can sometimes fit worse than they...
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    Not sure here about some of the legal aspects...

    Not sure here about some of the legal aspects made above?

    However from a pure fire safety perspective you need to look at the current building regs Approved Document B (Fire Safety)

    An escape...
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    Building regs Approved Document B

    Building regs Approved Document B
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    Hard wired (BS 5839 part 6) smoke detectors top...

    Hard wired (BS 5839 part 6) smoke detectors top and bottom of the stairs interlinked should be minimum really. This has been in under building regs for new builds since about 1991.
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    mk1fan, A 30 min door in a 60 min compartment...

    mk1fan,

    A 30 min door in a 60 min compartment is acceptable.
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    Hi, not sure why the fire risk assessment company...

    Hi, not sure why the fire risk assessment company would say you don't have any legal obligations? If you have any element of "control" over the common areas then you would have a legal obligation to...
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    Smoke detector on each preferably linked to each...

    Smoke detector on each preferably linked to each other.
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