Suggestion for renaming this forum

[mind the gap]

Now that HIPs are no longer obligatory, perhaps this thread could concentrate on those measures which are, and be re-named 'EPCs/Energy Efficiency Matters'.

It's a serious suggestion and I hope the Editor will consider it.

[jta]

Better. Government unnecessary form filling. (GUFF).

[mind the gap]

Better. Government unnecessary form filling. (GUFF).

Blimey. Scrooge had nothing on you!

Go and massage the cat or something?

[jeffrey]

Now that HIPs are no longer obligatory, perhaps this thread could concentrate on those measures which are, and be re-named 'EPCs/Energy Efficiency Matters'.

It's a serious suggestion and I hope the Editor will consider it.
Perhaps 'Energy Reports (and former HIPs/HCRs)'.
The now-abolished requirements might still be relevant (e.g. re any prosecutions still pending for non-compliance).

[jta]

Blimey. Scrooge had nothing on you!



Scrooge was an amateur! I woulda roasted Tiny Tim, wiv all the trimmings, an' I would uv had his good drumstick for me dinner.

[jeffrey]

Then Tiny Tim would never have had the chance to Tiptoe Through the Tulips. See http://uk.ask.com/web?q=tiny+tim+%22Tiptoe+Through+the+Tulips%22&sm=adv&dm=all&qsrc=196&o=0&l=dir

[mind the gap]

Perhaps 'Energy Reports (and former HIPs/HCRs)'.
The now-abolished requirements might still be relevant (e.g. re any prosecutions still pending for non-compliance).

Why 'Energy Reports'? Assuming you are referring to Energy Performance Certificates, why not just call them EPCs, as that is their correct name?

I didn't just mean EPCs, though. I have long felt we could usefully have a forum on questions to do with property design, maintenance and improvement, including energy efficiency measures such as insulation, windows/double glazing, upgrading of boilers, green technology, etc. It could also deal with all those questions about how to combat damp/condensation - a right old chestnut, I think you'll agree! There have also been quite a number of questions relating to design in tenanted properties : showers versus baths, decorating, locks, windows, heating systems, Saniflo systems, etc. And whether LLs agree with the requirement to have EPCs or not, the fact remains that a well-designed, well maintained and energy efficient property is generally more profitable than a draughty, poorly-insulated one. Strangely enough, tenants seem to prefer the former :rolleyes:

If we had a forum for queries/tips/comments on these kinds of things, it might free 'Residential Lettings' up a little for questions relating more to the legal/administrative and 'human' aspects of letting. Plus, I could get to share my experiences of low-level plumbing.



Editor : please consider this suggestion seriously. Thank you!

[jeffrey]

Why 'Energy Reports'? Assuming you are referring to Energy Performance Certificates, why not just call them EPCs, as that is their correct name?
Because they're called something else for commercial lettings, I think.

[mind the gap]

Because they're called something else for commercial lettings, I think.
I see - thank you for explaining. Well, perhaps the title could include both.

[jeffrey]

I didn't just mean EPCs, though. I have long felt we could usefully have a forum on questions to do with property design, maintenance and improvement, including energy efficiency measures such as insulation, windows/double glazing, upgrading of boilers, green technology, etc. It could also deal with all those questions about how to combat damp/condensation - a right old chestnut, I think you'll agree! There have also been quite a number of questions relating to design in tenanted properties : showers versus baths, decorating, locks, windows, heating systems, Saniflo systems, etc. And whether LLs agree with the requirement to have EPCs or not, the fact remains that a well-designed, well maintained and energy efficient property is generally more profitable than a draughty, poorly-insulated one.
So what might such forum's name be, then? Perhaps 'Property design, repairs, improvements, and Energy Reports'?
Anyway, LZ seems to have beaten you to it during today- name already changed to 'Energy Reports EPC - late HIPs/HCRs'!

[mind the gap]

So what might such forum's name be, then? Perhaps 'Property design, repairs, improvements, and Energy Reports'?

Yes, something like that. I would suggest : 'EPCs and energy efficiency, property design, repairs and improvements' (on the grounds that queries about ERs for commercial properties will probably end up in the Commercial Lettings forum anyway).

[jeffrey]

Energy Reports (commercial) do have more in common with EPCs, however.

[mind the gap]

Energy Reports (commercial) do have more in common with EPCs, however.
OK: ERs, EPCs and energy efficiency, etc.

[jeffrey]

OK: ERs, EPCs and energy efficiency, etc.
Near enough to the new title already implemented by LZ.

[mind the gap]

Near enough to the new title already implemented by LZ.


Not really, because the new title does not mention the 'etc' (property design, repairs and improvements)!

Don't worry - I get the message. Suggestions clearly not welcome! Rien ne change.

[jeffrey]

I have no say in it. Why not contact Editor (Tom Entwistle) if you feel strongly about it?
plus whatever use is an 'etc.' at the end?

[mind the gap]

plus whatever use is an 'etc.' at the end?

The 'etc' was a deictic reference relating to the suggested concluding phrase 'property design, repairs and improvements' which I had already included several times when discussing possible titles with you. Since it was the initial part of the forum name which we were trying to hammer out, it seemed unnecesary to repeat the ending in full, since we already seemed to have agreed upon it.

It wasn't a legal document and the people I have just shown it to agree it makes perfect sense.

Hope that helps!

[jeffrey]

I hope that it does too. I dislike etceterae; the only Act with a short title so enhanced, as far as I know, is the Party Wall etc. Act 1996. A better title would have been the Boundary Structures Act, because it's not limited to either:
a. party matters; or
b. walls.

[mind the gap]

I hope that it does too. I dislike etceterae; the only Act with a short title so enhanced, as far as I know, is the Party Wall etc. Act 1996. A better title would have been the Boundary Structures Act, because it's not limited to either:
a. party matters; or
b. walls.

Well, did it (my explanation) help, or not?

And with respect, I would point out that I was not drafting the title to an Act of Parliament, which - being a highly formal document - needs to make perfect sense without recourse to deixis; the latter is necessarily context-bound and may indeed (as you suggest in your example), confuse anyone not involved in the discourse. In fact, I have always thought that the very title 'Party Wall Act' promises much more fun than it actually delivers (not being about obliging people to have parties on walls after all), but that's a digression.

I was (albeit futilely, it seems), drafting a title to a sub-forum on Landlordzone, which is not quite the same thing as an Act of Parliament. Much less formal - and we were in the middle of a conversation about it, so the 'etc' was naturally lent meaning by the context!

I incline to the view that you are being an awkward sod over this, but as ever I am willing to be persuaded otherwise. (A cheque for £500 should suffice).

[jeffrey]

I? Awkward? As if!

[mind the gap]

I? Awkward? As if!

I'll take that as a 'Yes, you're right. Thank you for the explanation', then.:rolleyes:

[jeffrey]

Take it however (and wherever) you like it.

[mind the gap]

Take it however (and wherever) you like it.

Thank you. Always the gentleman.:rolleyes:

[baldelectrician]

How about EPC's and Home Condition Reports

HCR's seem to be still on the go for all the sellers in Scotland, which is probably a good thing

[jeffrey]

How about EPC's and Home Condition Reports

HCR's seem to be still on the go for all the sellers in Scotland, which is probably a good thing
But very few LZ members can assist with any Scottish-law-related matters.

[mind the gap]

Forum duly re-titled - thanks!

Energy-saving technology tips?

Bring on your plumbing problems!

Berate your builder!

Share your Saniflo experiences!

The Great Shower Curtain Debate - this way.

[jeffrey]

...i.e. for all who share your fascination with such things. Quiet, isn't it?

[mind the gap]

...i.e. for all who share your fascination with such things. Quiet, isn't it?

Interesting. I never had you down as a snob, before now!

Bizarre as it may seem to you, some people do indeed find the design and improvement of properties/homes more fascinating than the minutiae of legal documents and case history - it takes all sorts. Please stop whingeing!

[jeffrey]

OK- so let such people flock hither and post. I have no objection, you'll be delighted to know!

[mind the gap]

I have no objectionThat does indeed make a pleasant change :)

Keep it up.

[jeffrey]

That does indeed make a pleasant change.
Keep it up.
Fnarr, fnarr.

[jeffrey]

OK- so let such people flock hither and post.
Still awaiting the mad rush- no flocking sign of it, so far.

[mind the gap]

Still awaiting the mad rush- no flocking sign of it, so far.
Still awaiting the appearance of your manners, too (although I suspect it will be a long wait!) :rolleyes:

So in your view, there is no point in the existence of this forum and it may as well be scrapped?

[jeffrey]

Since when has my view had any merit in yours?

[mind the gap]

Since when has my view had any merit in yours?

One might ask equally, since when have you cared what others think of your views? You give the impression that you made your mind up about everything many years ago and your resistance to allowing yourself (or others) to change it has become something of a point of principle with you. It is not a sign of weakness to admit you might be wrong about something, or to find common ground, or give credit where it is due. Try it!

Constructive viewpoints/suggestions are always of interest, irrespective of who offers them.

I have emailed a list of threads to the Editor and the Moderator which seem to fit this new forum. Perhaps they will help demonstrate the kinds of things which could usefully be posted here.