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GEOFFALI
04-02-2010, 16:07 PM
I have a tenant who has a sub meter for her electric, the landlord reads the meter monthly and then bills her for usage, the tenant is now disputing the charges and landlord is refusing to show her a copy of the actual utility bill from EON, can he do this and where does she stand, as she is refusing to pay the bill until she sees a copy.

Snorkerz
04-02-2010, 16:17 PM
As the tenant purcheses her electricity from the landlord, it would be reasonable for the landlord to provide her with an statement of useage, similar to the bill provided by EON. However, the actual bill is for a contract between EON and the Landlord - if she went into the newsagent, she wouldn't expect to see the bill from the wholesaler before she bought a Mars bar.

GEOFFALI
04-02-2010, 16:30 PM
he provides her with a spreadsheet of readings and unit costs, she has been in the property 4 months and has so far paid £425, he is now asking for another £271 for january, this seems extremely high and this is why she is disputing and is asking for proof that she is not paying his electric aswell, If he has nothing to hide why is he refusing to show her any bills.

Snorkerz
04-02-2010, 17:03 PM
he provides her with a spreadsheet of readings and unit costs, she has been in the property 4 months and has so far paid £425, he is now asking for another £271 for january, this seems extremely high and this is why she is disputing and is asking for proof that she is not paying his electric aswell, If he has nothing to hide why is he refusing to show her any bills.



Can the tenant see the meter to verify the landlords readings?

Tenant could ask for a reading and then measure the electric she uses (roughly) as most electrical appliances have the wattage marked on them.

A 2kw (2000w) fire uses 2 units of electricity for an hours use. A 100w lightbulb runs for 10 hours on one unit, etc etc.

Maybe a one-week diary of useage would indicate if the bill is very wide of the mark.

reb223
04-02-2010, 21:53 PM
However, the actual bill is for a contract between EON and the Landlord - if she went into the newsagent, she wouldn't expect to see the bill from the wholesaler before she bought a Mars bar.

See ofgem's guidelines on the resale of electricity at
http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Consumers/Documents1/11782-resaleupdateoct05.pdf

On page 4, it states:

"The reseller must use reasonable endeavours to make an estimate of the applicable unit price, and must give the purchaser information about the price(s) upon which this calculation is based, if asked to do so."

Hope that helps.

Rebecca

Preston
05-02-2010, 00:35 AM
Somethink like this can also be a help in calculating usage:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OWL-WIRELESS-ENERGY-MONITOR-SAVE-ELECTRIC-MONEY_W0QQitemZ120525906547QQcategoryZ294QQcmdZVie wItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26 its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS %252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7618038088 483455682

Lots of local authorities and energy companies are giving them away to certain target groups.

Ultimately, the information provided by the landlord is only as good as the meter, so it might be worth getting it checked for accuracy as well.

Snorkerz
05-02-2010, 08:18 AM
See ofgem's guidelines on the resale of electricity at
http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Consumers/Documents1/11782-resaleupdateoct05.pdf

On page 4, it states:

"The reseller must use reasonable endeavours to make an estimate of the applicable unit price, and must give the purchaser information about the price(s) upon which this calculation is based, if asked to do so."

Hope that helps.

RebeccaAccepting that, but it doesn't have to be the bill - it can be a print out of the tariff from the eon website. In fact, I haven't read the pdf you link to, but is there an obligation on the landlord to charge the same 'unit price' or is the above simply saying that the consumer must know how many units have been used and how much they will be charged for them.

mind the gap
05-02-2010, 08:28 AM
GEOFFALI, please could you tell us:

1 Roughly what size property does the tenant live in (house/flat/bedsit etc)
2 Whether the electricity usage for which she is charged relates just to her room, or to the communal areas/whole property as well?
3 Does she share with the LL or with other tenants, or live alone?
4 Is there gas/oil at the property as well, or is the heating of space and water all electric?

Sorry for the barrage of questions but whether the amount being charged is realistic or not will depend on the answers!

Mars Mug
05-02-2010, 10:30 AM
Accepting that, but it doesn't have to be the bill - it can be a print out of the tariff from the eon website. In fact, I haven't read the pdf you link to, but is there an obligation on the landlord to charge the same 'unit price' or is the above simply saying that the consumer must know how many units have been used and how much they will be charged for them.

From the second page of the .pdf;

“From 1 January 2003 the maximum price at which gas or electricity may be resold is the same price as that paid by the person who is reselling it (“the reseller”), including any standing charges”

And also

“Anyone who charges more than the maximum resale price may face civil proceedings for the recovery of the amount overcharged, and may be required to pay interest on the amounts overcharged”

Snorkerz
05-02-2010, 11:41 AM
From the second page of the .pdf;

“From 1 January 2003 the maximum price at which gas or electricity may be resold is the same price as that paid by the person who is reselling it (“the reseller”), including any standing charges”

And also

“Anyone who charges more than the maximum resale price may face civil proceedings for the recovery of the amount overcharged, and may be required to pay interest on the amounts overcharged”.
Thanks :)